Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] trouble with QAM mod/ WX GUI Constellation Sink

On 17.07.2015 14:56, Bill Eaton wrote:
>> What I meant was that you plot the result of your timing + phase recovery
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>> into an XY plot, that would take care of those additional points
> you're seeing.
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> I have to confess that I don't even know what that means or how to go
> about accomplishing it. I have to take baby steps because I'm a baby.
> ;-) If you could point me to an example or some other things to try,
> that would be helpful.

OK, this is starting to get into basics of digital comms and this
mailing list is probably not a good place for that.

In brief, what you're plotting is the output of the QAM Mod -- which is
*not* a QAM constellation, but rather the complex baseband signal that
can be transmitted. This does include the QAM constellation.

> I looked through the examples that ship with GNURadio and didn't see
> anything obvious. Also, I looked through the GRC block tree to see if I
> could try something. There's a Synchronizers section. Something from there?

Try the examples in gr-digital.

> You thought maybe it was oversampled. It occurred to me that maybe the
> X-Y chart rate should be samp_rate/8, but I tried that and the chart
> still look largely the same.

That's not quite the right terminology, but if you plotted only a subset
of the samples of your signal, you would see the constellation.

It seems you're fine using GNU Radio itself, so I recommend you get an
intro book to digital comms and map what the say to the GNU Radio examples.

Cheers,
Martin


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-gnuradio-bounces+billeaton=aeroantenna.com@gnu.org
> [mailto:discuss-gnuradio-bounces+billeaton=aeroantenna.com@gnu.org] On
> Behalf Of Martin Braun
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2015 1:20 PM
> To: discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] trouble with QAM mod/ WX GUI
> Constellation Sink
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> On 17.07.2015 12:43, Bill Eaton wrote:
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>> From Martin Braun:
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>>>My preference is to build the demod/sync chain with it's own blocks,
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>>>and then just output the complex symbols
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>>> into either an X/Y plot (WX) or the QT Constellation Sink
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>> Even an X/Y plot ends up looking funny. I've attached a GRC file for
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>> X-Y, and when you turn on persistence, it looks better. But it's very
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>> strange. Maybe my bits_per_symbol is wrong. Or maybe the sample rate
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>> for the X-Y chart should be different than the random sample rate?
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>> Here's the 4 QAM X-Y.
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> Your plot looks fine, it's just oversampled (but perfectly
> time-synchronized, I'm guessing this is post-pulse shaping + noise?).
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> What I meant was that you plot the result of your timing + phase
> recovery into an XY plot, that would take care of those additional
> points you're seeing.
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